Mar 03 11:23:19 bryce: meeting today? Mar 03 11:23:20 doctormon! Mar 03 11:23:36 doctormon: Meeting in 37 minutes. Mar 03 11:23:54 Tavmjong: Great, thanks! I've been training in inkscape http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Livery-Training-666691192 Mar 03 11:25:07 Is that the same train as to Winchester? Mar 03 11:25:13 ScislaC! Mar 03 11:26:18 Tavmjong: They run the whole southern rail service, so probably. Mar 03 11:27:13 Colors looked familiar. Mar 03 11:48:38 how are you doing Tavmjong? Mar 03 11:49:16 doctormon: Pretty good. Been swimming and biking a lot... lost a few pounds. And you? Mar 03 11:49:40 Tavmjong: cycling in the cold and starting a youtube channel.. with luck ;-) Mar 03 11:50:22 doctormon: When I was young and foolish I biked through a Wisconsin winter. Mar 03 11:50:39 Boston cold, the wind cuts deep Mar 03 11:50:58 But Wisconsin, I hear the wind has chainsaws Mar 03 11:51:27 Naw, pretty wimpy compared to Minnesota. Mar 03 12:00:03 ************* Board Meeting **************** Mar 03 12:00:12 hi all Mar 03 12:00:18 hi! Mar 03 12:00:19 Hello! Mar 03 12:00:20 hi Mar 03 12:00:37 fguimont: hello! Mar 03 12:00:40 bryce? tedg? ScislaC? Mar 03 12:00:44 is everyone here/ Mar 03 12:00:48 Tavmjong, yes? Mar 03 12:00:50 is everyone here? Mar 03 12:01:04 bryce: Just checking if your here.... Mar 03 12:01:28 Agenda: Mar 03 12:01:28 + Sponsorship Levels Mar 03 12:01:28 + Hackfests: Portland, Paris Mar 03 12:01:28 + Merchandise sales Mar 03 12:01:28 + Inkscape gitlab Mar 03 12:01:28 + Other Mar 03 12:01:31 hi doctormon Tavmjong bryce et al. Mar 03 12:01:35 kk won't be here. Mar 03 12:01:40 Has anyone further topics to add? Mar 03 12:01:48 * tedg waves Mar 03 12:02:06 Josh gives his regrets as well Mar 03 12:02:30 ok diving right in Mar 03 12:02:31 ============ Sponsorship Levels =========== Mar 03 12:03:07 thanks all for voting on the levels. It looks like all items passed except the news item. Mar 03 12:03:11 I'd like to get the text updated pretty quick for the two sponsorship requests we've had int he last two weeks Mar 03 12:04:05 I would still like to hear josh's rationale for not wanting to merge diamond and platinum but the vote passed so I figure we can proceed. Like I mentioned we can always bring it back when there's a decent reason to Mar 03 12:04:34 would anyone have an objection if I finalize the vote now so doctormo can proceed with getting it onto the website? Mar 03 12:04:44 bryce: I'm willing to go with two new items for Platinum. Mar 03 12:04:51 s/now/later today/ Mar 03 12:05:07 No objection. Please finalize. Mar 03 12:05:12 ok will do Mar 03 12:05:12 Nope, go with it Mar 03 12:05:25 any other thoughts/questions/ideas on sponsorship levels? Mar 03 12:05:30 Great, thanks all. Mar 03 12:05:52 doctormon, feel free to go ahead and get started; I'll finish and post the email about it after work Mar 03 12:06:08 ============= Hackfest : Portland ============= Mar 03 12:06:38 I looked up the place I'd proposed earlier, and there's one good period of availability at the end of April Mar 03 12:06:56 Fri Apr 28th - Wednesday May3rd (5 nights) Mar 03 12:07:18 you'll remember there's two facilities co-located there, which can be rented individually or together. Both are available that period. Mar 03 12:07:25 bryce: Will do, will post live and then ask review before sending to our inquirers Mar 03 12:07:41 given the US travel system I'm skeptical we can get enough attendees to do both, but it's an option. Open to suggestions. Mar 03 12:08:02 I do see the schedule for it is quite full through the summer so if we want it, probably should snag it asap. Mar 03 12:08:04 Only think around then I have is LGM. Mar 03 12:08:06 bryce: I'm in favour of April 28th, although it's only 4 weeks away Mar 03 12:08:14 Is anyone going? Mar 03 12:08:30 yeah it's soon, we'd have to get moving on arrangements quickly. Mar 03 12:08:58 I want to, but I don't know if I'm going to be able to that soon. I'm needed on a project that drops arount that date. Mar 03 12:09:10 or we could schedule something in the fall; availability may be better then Mar 03 12:09:19 +1 Mar 03 12:09:26 LGM is rather late in organizing... plus, many people need visas (including Americans) that take require letters. Mar 03 12:09:43 I don't think LGM is a problem for us. Mar 03 12:10:10 Sept/Oct look pretty open for this place if we want to postpone 'til then Mar 03 12:10:12 Don't think so either, but throwing it out there. It does relate 😉 Mar 03 12:10:29 April 28th is a bit close, but I could probably do it. Anything in May? Mar 03 12:11:00 bryce: So long as we book Oct/Nov now so as not to have a reason not to do it Mar 03 12:11:06 I am kinda of the feeling that we should just do it. Feel we have put it off, which at some level discredits our fundraising Mar 03 12:11:10 I mean Sept/Oct :-* Mar 03 12:11:11 If we schedule something for Fall, we should not wait too long or will be in the same situation. Mar 03 12:11:28 May/Jun/Jul has mid-week avaiability, Mon-Wed and a few Mon-Thurs Mar 03 12:11:44 May 12-25 is a Sun-Thur, that's the longest one I see Mar 03 12:12:13 typo in dates? Mar 03 12:12:14 19? Mar 03 12:12:38 sorry 21-25 Mar 03 12:12:45 Ah Mar 03 12:12:56 may is better for me Mar 03 12:13:03 bryce: Portland, that the place on the other side of the country right, no need to go into Canada for that right? Mar 03 12:13:04 and that's just the Front unit Mar 03 12:13:17 tedg: ++ Mar 03 12:13:35 May is better for me too... Mar 03 12:13:42 At this stage there's no reason not to do both April and Oct. Mar 03 12:14:09 bryce: What's your ability to travel like? Mar 03 12:14:25 doctormon, how do you mean? Mar 03 12:14:43 doctormon, no funding likely via Samsung Mar 03 12:15:08 but I got ample vacation time Mar 03 12:15:38 bryce: Just kicking around ideas, if May is hard for Portland. Mar 03 12:15:58 ok, so should I reserve the Apr/May or should we go mid-week in May, or something else? Mar 03 12:16:18 I *might* get funding for travel but need to plan ahead. Mar 03 12:16:39 bryce: Would more money from our funds make getting a full week in May easier? Mar 03 12:17:35 doctormon, guessing bribery isn't an option ;-) Mar 03 12:18:45 bryce: I mean if there are other buildings available but at twice the price. Mar 03 12:19:05 doctormon, for this unit in May, the trade offs are a) 4 nights instead of 5; b) folks will need more vacation days since its mid-week; c) only the Front unit is available Mar 03 12:19:44 I would like to get an idea of who would attend. Would we get sufficient participation? Mar 03 12:19:45 doctormon, I didn't look at other places but last time my wife looked and was hard to find anyplace like this one Mar 03 12:20:34 bryce: We're pretty nailed down by this one unit on options. Mar 03 12:20:55 bryce: What's the advantages again? (I think you've mentioned these before) Mar 03 12:21:18 What if we do two hackfests in 2017 with Portland being in the Fall. Mar 03 12:21:48 Secure the Portland place now for Fall. That will give people plenty of time to plan. Mar 03 12:21:55 +1 Mar 03 12:22:27 What if we had a May hackfest in Paris? Mar 03 12:22:52 =============== Hackfest : Paris ============== Mar 03 12:23:07 Tavmjong, go ahead Mar 03 12:23:07 Mc_ might be able to locate us a place at a university in Paris. Mar 03 12:23:11 I'd not be available due to it being outside the usa. But it sounds cool. Mar 03 12:23:38 I *might* Mar 03 12:23:47 Or, we could have it out where I live, possibly even at my place. Mar 03 12:23:59 I've put a few notes at http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2017 Mar 03 12:25:11 Mc is on vacation for the next two weeks so we'll have to wait till he gets back for the in Paris option. Mar 03 12:25:14 Do we have airbnb availability issues as well there? Mar 03 12:26:02 tedg: We wouldn't be holding the hackfest at the airbnb. Mar 03 12:26:06 wait two weeks and you're going to have the "too soon to book" issue Mar 03 12:26:40 tedg, also the portland place is not through airbnb (it had been listed there as well last time, which is what screwed us up scheduling it) Mar 03 12:26:51 Seems we are further along with Portland than Paris. So it'd perhaps make more sense to do Portland earlier Mar 03 12:28:32 I'm prepared to go ahead and book the portland place today, if we can make a decision on it Mar 03 12:28:45 for the April dates? Mar 03 12:29:30 either Apr 28-May 3, or May 21-25 Mar 03 12:30:12 (I have scarce internet access right now, but try to follow the meeting) Mar 03 12:30:24 I think April is better, even if close. Mar 03 12:32:34 April would probably be better for me than the proposed May dates. Mar 03 12:32:55 ScislaC, any chance you're around to voice your thoughts on hackfest dates? Mar 03 12:34:06 ok sounds like at least doctormon, tedg and myself would be available Apr 28, Tav maybe too. Mar 03 12:34:51 an advantage of the Apr 28 date is we have the option of renting both units if we find strong interest Mar 03 12:34:54 bryce: +1 Mar 03 12:35:31 but for now I can just book one or the other unit, which gives 5 or 6 beds iirc Mar 03 12:36:49 the 6 bed option would be $2120.63 Mar 03 12:36:55 bryce: What is the cancellation penalty? Might be good to book both if you can confirm kk and ScislaC can come (plus any others). Mar 03 12:37:14 if we can get a quickie hand vote here on IRC I can book it now to get it secured. Mar 03 12:37:24 +1 Mar 03 12:37:28 +1 Mar 03 12:37:31 Tavmjong, good question let me look Mar 03 12:37:33 +1 Mar 03 12:37:48 +1 although not sure I'll be free yet Mar 03 12:38:06 7. CANCELLATIONS – If you need to cancel up to one month in advance, you get the full Mar 03 12:38:06 payment back minus any service fees. Between a month and 2 weeks you get half the payment Mar 03 12:38:06 minus any service fees. Two weeks up to reservation there is no refund. Any changes that result Mar 03 12:38:06 in a shortened stay or early departure do not warrant any refund. Mar 03 12:38:37 We should post an email to the devel list to see who else will come. Mar 03 12:38:50 Tavmjong, definitely. I'll do that this weekend. Mar 03 12:39:05 doctormon, vote? Mar 03 12:39:16 oh wait you did. nevermind :-) Mar 03 12:39:24 ok, booking rear unit Mar 03 12:39:35 I would book both (assuming the service fee isn't outrageous). Mar 03 12:40:02 That will give us a couple of weeks to determine interest in attending. Mar 03 12:41:52 the difference between the advertised nightly fee for one of the units and what they're charging my credit card looks to be around $300. I don't know if that's what the service fee is but looks like it's on that order Mar 03 12:42:06 bryce: sorry, got distracted Mar 03 12:42:09 why don't I just book one now, then book the other once we get a little feedback Mar 03 12:42:15 +1 Mar 03 12:42:26 OK Mar 03 12:42:47 I'll try and get the -devel announce out tonight too if I can Mar 03 12:43:04 I'm betting the front unit won't get snatched up right away Mar 03 12:43:14 ok, booked. whew. Mar 03 12:43:30 hackfest here we come :-) Mar 03 12:43:33 bryce: Yay, thank you good sir for fronting it! Mar 03 12:43:53 Tavmjong, do you want to discuss paris more or shall we leave that to next meeting? Mar 03 12:44:37 We can leave it till the next meeting after Mc has a chance to investigate options. Mar 03 12:44:45 ok great Mar 03 12:45:01 merchandise sales Mar 03 12:45:08 =============== Merchandise Sales =============== Mar 03 12:45:52 looks like we're missing attendees for this one, unless you have any details doctormon ? Mar 03 12:46:36 bryce: We've been mostly waiting for our contributor to pair down the options, I've told them to take their time. Mar 03 12:47:29 ok Mar 03 12:47:47 doctormon, anything we can help with in? Mar 03 12:49:23 bryce: Not unless anyone has spare time and is keen on editing the shop Mar 03 12:50:04 yeah... spare time seems scarce. Ok, moving on. Mar 03 12:50:34 =============== gitlab migration ================= Mar 03 12:50:49 thanks doctormon and maren for posting positive feedback Mar 03 12:50:57 sounds like we can go ahead and proceed with the migration Mar 03 12:51:21 should we "actually" do it during a hackfest ? Mar 03 12:51:48 I figure we need some logistics sorted as to exactly when to do it, and who will pull the trigger, how to deal with fallout, etc. Mar 03 12:52:13 Mc, that's not a bad idea but I was hoping to get it done sooner, like within the next week or two Mar 03 12:52:40 Mc: I would rather see hackfest time spent on Gtk3 migration, flipping the coordinate system, etc.. Mar 03 12:52:46 but I'm not sure what preparations need to be made. When I've done my personal projects it's been very straightforward Mar 03 12:53:18 Yeah, just CPU time typically Mar 03 12:53:51 who would be a good person to do the conversion? Mar 03 12:54:08 kk? Mar 03 12:54:15 tweenk did some tests with github in the past Mar 03 12:54:26 he did the geom2 conversion Mar 03 12:54:39 He already did it once as a test, so that's who I'd look to. Mar 03 12:55:05 heh, the classic risk of not attending a meeting is getting the action item assigned ;-) Mar 03 12:55:17 lol Mar 03 12:55:25 Heh Mar 03 12:55:28 :) Mar 03 12:55:34 tedg, would you mind taking the action of emailing him and asking? (and cc the board) Mar 03 12:55:34 As the "other guy that did a migration", Mar 03 12:55:49 No problem Mar 03 12:56:45 ok Mar 03 12:57:07 just got called by paypal Mar 03 12:57:24 transaction cleared! Mar 03 12:57:49 ok, any opinions on timing for when to do the gitlab migration? Mar 03 12:58:12 at kk's availability, or should we schedule a particular time so folks know what's coming? Mar 03 12:58:35 give people at least a week warning... Mar 03 12:58:50 a week, ok Mar 03 13:00:07 tedg, after you speak with kk can you (or he) also email to inkscape-devel to announce kk's planned day-of-migration? Mar 03 13:00:57 last item Mar 03 13:01:03 =============== Any Other Business ============= Mar 03 13:01:10 Makes sense. I imagine we will need to do a dry run too. Mar 03 13:01:13 anyone else have any topics? Mar 03 13:02:00 Just an announcement... we've been accepted for GSoC. Mar 03 13:02:04 stickers? Do we have any? Mar 03 13:02:21 oh great news Tavmjong Mar 03 13:02:51 fguimont, no stickers afaik. Would be a nice merchandising item to have available though. Mar 03 13:02:53 is it too late to be a possible mentor (if there is a need for mentors) Mar 03 13:02:57 N Mar 03 13:03:00 ?* Mar 03 13:03:07 Mc: No. Mar 03 13:03:34 That's cool. Mar 03 13:03:37 fguimont: No stickers yet, could do with having some though. Mar 03 13:03:52 Thanks bryce Mar 03 13:03:59 I'd love to have nice Inkscape stickers on my gear. Mar 03 13:04:56 fguimont, if you'd like to research into places that do stickers and find a good option or two, I'm sure we could get something organized for that Mar 03 13:05:17 Ok bryce, I can look into that. Mar 03 13:06:28 fguimont, Spreadshirt does buttons and cellphone cases but not stickers. I'm sure there's other similar places that do though. Mar 03 13:08:03 ok, anythign else? otherwise EOM Mar 03 13:08:09 I was told stickermule is good. Mar 03 13:08:44 I'm awaiting stickers for my project, I'll let you know what the quality is like. I hear good things from the designers here. Mar 03 13:09:26 fguimont, great thanks. Feel free to email the inkscape-board@lists.sf.net list with what you find, or next month's meeting if you prefer Mar 03 13:09:39 ============== End of Meeting =========== Mar 03 13:09:43 bryce: late question wrt gitlab migration ... Mar 03 13:09:45 bryce: Do we have board@inkscape.org? Mar 03 13:10:00 su_v, go ahead Mar 03 13:10:06 doctormon, not afaik Mar 03 13:10:10 what is the plan for the branches hosted on launchpad.net? Mar 03 13:10:27 will those get purged as has happened with the old branches at sf.net Mar 03 13:10:29 ? Mar 03 13:10:39 kk said he could get all branches over Mar 03 13:11:14 does that mean that you want to delete them on lp? Mar 03 13:11:36 breaking lots of references e.g. in the bug reports, and elsewhere ... Mar 03 13:11:57 and purging any possibility to look up the old revnos? Mar 03 13:12:17 since the git hashes will be what is in gitlab Mar 03 13:13:13 su_v: There's no need to delete the branches, even inkscape-web branches are still available. Just marked as abandoned and given to a user/group without push access. Mar 03 13:13:38 doctormon, abandoned or maybe merged Mar 03 13:13:40 the purge at sf.net removed the only possibility to access the history before bzr revno 1 (of lp:inkscape) via browser already Mar 03 13:14:04 (launchpad fails with the old migrated branches) Mar 03 13:14:16 ok Mar 03 13:15:13 and the plan it to move the stable release branch, too, before 0.92.2 is prepared? Mar 03 13:15:23 su_v: so that is fixable, but I'm not sure of that value after so long (the pre r1 history) Mar 03 13:15:30 su_v, if you often need to reference that data, there's probably a way to re-host it rather than resurrect it on sourceforge. Goal is to get 100% off SF entirely. Mar 03 13:15:46 tedg: I just needed to find a old commit last week Mar 03 13:16:01 Wow, okay Mar 03 13:16:02 su_v, yes plan is to get 0.92.x migrated to git, before we begin preparing 0.92.2. Mar 03 13:16:10 (in an attempt to determine whether a current feature was intentional or as temp fix) Mar 03 13:16:53 Would be fun to have older commits, Mar 03 13:17:09 I've had to look up things and I end up hitting the mentalguy rev1 wall Mar 03 13:17:48 Okay, I will look to see how difficult it is Mar 03 13:18:44 https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/inkscape/old-main has what was before that revno 1 Mar 03 13:19:04 but if you attempt to view a file (or the annotated version), or an actual commit diff - that fails Mar 03 13:19:16 tedg, thanks. If you figure out a way to extract it, might also be worth getting the Sodipodi history too; that should also all be on SF. Dunno how useful it'd be but might be easy to do while you're at it. Mar 03 13:19:19 it's ok with a local branch Mar 03 13:19:48 Yeah, I know where the skeletons are hidden here. I put them in their current closets 😉 Mar 03 13:20:00 so likely it could be migrated to git too (or to a newer bzr format?) Mar 03 13:20:08 I think you can append the exports together if you do them right. Mar 03 13:20:24 I think git. No reason to fix bazaar today. Mar 03 13:20:36 I have to go, thanks for the meeting